{"id":21577,"date":"2017-12-16T14:37:45","date_gmt":"2017-12-16T14:37:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.fjala.info\/?p=21577"},"modified":"2017-12-16T16:54:15","modified_gmt":"2017-12-16T16:54:15","slug":"norvegjezi-pal-refsdal-nje-nder-gazetaret-me-te-njohur-te-lufterave-guerile-ne-bote-i-plagosur-nga-ushtria-serbe-ne-kosove","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jehonashqiptare.al\/fjala\/norvegjezi-pal-refsdal-nje-nder-gazetaret-me-te-njohur-te-lufterave-guerile-ne-bote-i-plagosur-nga-ushtria-serbe-ne-kosove\/","title":{"rendered":"Norvegjezi P\u00e5l Refsdal, nj\u00eb nd\u00ebr gazetar\u00ebt m\u00eb t\u00eb njohur t\u00eb luft\u00ebrave guerile n\u00eb bot\u00eb; i plagosur nga ushtria serbe n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb…"},"content":{"rendered":"

Ka mbetur n\u00eb oqean m\u00ebse dy or\u00eb, i kidnapuar n\u00eb Afganistan dhe pjes\u00ebmarr\u00ebs n\u00eb shum\u00eb luft\u00ebra t\u00eb tjera…<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Intervistoi<\/em>: Gjergj Kabashi<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u00e5l (Pol) Refsdal padyshim sot \u00ebsht\u00eb nd\u00ebr gazetar\u00ebt m\u00eb t\u00eb njohur t\u00eb luft\u00ebrave guerile n\u00eb bot\u00eb. Gazetaria e tij nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb mori fjal\u00ebsh t\u00eb grumbulluara p\u00ebr ta shkruar nj\u00eb artikull, apo p\u00ebr t\u00eb treguar kush \u00e7ka thot\u00eb e \u00e7ka flet, por \u00ebsht\u00eb gazetari nga vendi i ngjarjes, aty ku zhvillohet jeta-lufta nd\u00ebrmjet t\u00eb fortit e t\u00eb dob\u00ebtit; ku gazetari, fotografi, regjisori dhe krijuesi i filmave dokumentar \u00ebsht\u00eb gjithnj\u00eb n\u00eb krahun e atij, q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb i dob\u00ebt.<\/p>\n

“Si t\u00eb rinj flisnim p\u00ebr luft\u00ebn e afganistanasve ndaj forcave pushtuese t\u00eb ish-Bashkimit sovjetik<\/em>“, m\u00eb tregonte, dhe, “natyrisht q\u00eb ne ishim n\u00eb krahun e afganasve<\/em>“. Por, p\u00ebr mua, m\u00eb thoshte at\u00eb dit\u00eb t\u00eb dhjetorit 2017 kur e takova n\u00eb nj\u00eb qend\u00ebr fitnesi, ishte absurde q\u00eb t\u00eb isha me fjal\u00eb p\u00ebr ta, e t\u00eb mos isha me vep\u00ebr, q\u00eb t\u00eb mos isha atje p\u00ebr t’i ndihmuar! Andaj, pothuaj fshehtas familjes sime, q\u00eb ma kishte marr\u00eb pasaporten, u nisa duke e nxjerr\u00eb shpejt pasaport\u00ebn tjet\u00ebr. Pa i mbushur 21 vje\u00e7 isha n\u00eb Pakistan, pastaj n\u00eb Afganistan tek muxhahedin\u00ebt, n\u00eb krah t\u00eb t\u00eb cil\u00ebve edhe kishte kuftuar p\u00ebr nj\u00eb periudh\u00eb kohore ndaj forcave pushtuese sovjetike. Jeta e tij \u00ebsht\u00eb bredhje e pafund profesionale, duke p\u00ebrcjell\u00eb luft\u00eb-paslufte; sa tek UCK n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb, ku edhe \u00ebsht\u00eb plagosur n\u00eb Pashtrik, sa tek tigrat tamil, sa tek maoist\u00ebt n\u00eb Peru, tek \u00e7e\u00e7en\u00ebt, sa n\u00eb Irak, s\u00ebrish n\u00eb Afganistan, n\u00eb luft\u00ebn civile e Siris\u00eb, e ku jo tjet\u00ebr.<\/p>\n

I arrestuar nga U\u00c7K (!) n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb n\u00eb ver\u00ebn e vitit 1999, p\u00ebr shkak t\u00eb intrigave t\u00eb nj\u00eb jogazetari shqiptar, pastaj i kidnapuar m\u00eb 2009 nga taleban\u00ebt n\u00eb Afganistan, P\u00e5l Refsdal<\/strong>, p\u00ebrkund\u00ebr t\u00eb gjithave, nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb ndalur nga rruga e \u00ebmb\u00ebl por edhe shum\u00eb e hidhur e gazetaris\u00eb. N\u00eb librin e tij “Geriljareporteren” (Reporteri i Gueril\u00ebs), P\u00e5l Refsdal jep nj\u00eb kronologji t\u00eb paimagjinueshme ngjarjesh nga rruga e tij tep\u00ebr e rrezikshme si reporter luft\u00ebrash, duke i p\u00ebrshkruar ngjarjet reale me detaje si dhe skenat luftarake me imagjinat\u00eb aq t\u00eb bujshme, q\u00eb t\u00eb b\u00ebn t\u00eb kridhesh n\u00eb nj\u00eb bot\u00eb t\u00eb padrejt\u00eb, ku trimat luftojn\u00eb e nuk jipen para forcave pushtuese. P\u00ebrve\u00e7se autor i librit “Geriljareporteren”, reporteri i njohur P\u00e5l Refsdal, \u00ebsht\u00eb edhe autor i filmit dokmentar “Knappen – The Dugma”, ku e pasqyron luft\u00ebn e “martir\u00ebve t\u00eb Allahut” nga brendia e tyre, duke qen\u00eb pjes\u00eb e rrug\u00ebs s\u00eb dy t\u00eb rinjve, q\u00eb duan t\u00eb vetvriten me kamionin e mbushur me tonelata material shp\u00ebrthyes, me t\u00eb cilin synojn\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb vrasin sa m\u00eb shum\u00eb ushtar\u00eb t\u00eb Bashar-Al Assad-it etj.<\/p>\n

Para nj\u00eb viti, Refsdal ka qen\u00eb s\u00ebrish n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb, ku ka marr\u00eb pjes\u00eb n\u00eb “Dokufest” n\u00eb Prizren. Instancave p\u00ebrkat\u00ebse n\u00eb Prishtin\u00eb me at\u00eb rast ua ka dhuruar edhe mbi nj\u00eb mij\u00eb foto t\u00eb tij, q\u00eb i ka ba nga lufta n\u00eb vitin 1998 dhe 1999. “U takova me disa shok\u00eb t\u00eb mij nga ajo koh\u00eb, t\u00eb cil\u00ebt kisha koh\u00eb q\u00eb nuk i kisha par\u00eb”, m\u00eb tha, n\u00eb studio, at\u00eb dit\u00eb dhe shtoj q\u00eb ndjente pik\u00ebllim se veteran\u00ebt e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb t\u00eb luft\u00ebs s\u00eb UCK jetojn\u00eb n\u00eb gjendje t\u00eb mjerueshme.<\/p>\n

\"\"P\u00e5l Refsdal, foto e Lind\u00ebs, U\u00c7K, me snajper. Me k\u00ebsi luft\u00ebtaresh, si t\u00eb mos fitonte Kosova?<\/em><\/p>\n

\"\"P\u00e5l Refsdal, foto e Agim \u00c7ekut, U\u00c7K. Pas ardhjes s\u00eb Agimit n\u00eb krye t\u00eb U\u00c7K-s\u00eb, lufta nisi t\u00eb merrte karakter m\u00eb profesional, theksoi Refsdal, reporteri i njohur i luft\u00ebs s\u00eb vitit 1998\/1999<\/em><\/p>\n

“E takova edhe “Lulin”<\/strong>, m\u00eb tha…”. “Kadri Veseli tashm\u00eb kishte filluar t\u00eb thinjet…<\/strong>” Qeshte…<\/p>\n

P\u00e5l Refsdal flet me nostalgji p\u00ebr Muj\u00eb Krasniqi i njohur si Komandant Kapu\u00e7i<\/em>, i cili ishte nj\u00eb njeri shum\u00eb i mir\u00eb dhe njihej p\u00ebr k\u00ebnget e tradit\u00ebs q\u00eb i k\u00ebndonte”, m\u00eb thoshte P\u00e5l nd\u00ebrsa kur e pyeta p\u00ebr Prokuroren Karla Del Ponte dhe akuzat e saja p\u00ebr “k\u00ebmbim organesh” tek e ashtuquajtura “Sht\u00ebpia e Verdh\u00eb”, ai m\u00eb tha: “Ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb idiote !<\/strong>“. A mund ta shkruaj k\u00ebt\u00eb q\u00eb e thua, e pyeta e ai ma ktheu: “Po, madje me shkronja t\u00eb m\u00ebdha: IDIOTE<\/strong> !”. Un\u00eb kam qen\u00eb mbi tre muaj i plagosur dhe jam endur me banor\u00ebt e ushtar\u00ebt e tjer\u00eb t\u00eb plagosur andej-k\u00ebndej n\u00ebp\u00ebr Drenic\u00eb dhe e dij mjaft mir\u00eb se U\u00c7K nuk ka pasur kurrnj\u00eb mjeksi t\u00eb zhvillueme n\u00eb at\u00eb kohe. Kan pasur probleme t’ua qepnin t\u00eb plagosurve plaget p\u00ebr shkak se u mungonin penjt\u00eb, se l\u00ebre m\u00eb t\u00eb b\u00ebnte dikush adoptim organesh. K\u00ebto jan\u00eb akuza t\u00eb tmerrshme, t\u00eb paimagjinueshme. “Sigurisht n\u00eb zyr\u00ebn e saj ka pasur serb\u00eb, q\u00eb e kan\u00eb nxitur t\u00eb b\u00ebnte akuza t\u00eb tilla!”, m\u00eb tha n\u00eb vazhdim.<\/p>\n

Me P\u00e5l Refsdal ndejta pothuaj nj\u00eb or\u00eb t\u00eb plot\u00eb aty, duke diskutuar p\u00ebr detaje t\u00eb tjera, q\u00eb nuk i kishim p\u00ebrfshir\u00eb n\u00eb intervist\u00ebn me t\u00eb. Pas gjith\u00eb asaj q\u00eb kishte p\u00ebrjetuar n\u00eb jet\u00eb, pas t\u00eb gjitha atyne p\u00ebsimeve si reporter n\u00ebp\u00ebr lufta t\u00eb ndryshme, pas plagosjes n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb, – pasojat e s\u00eb cil\u00ebs i ndjen edhe sot ; pas kidnapimeve, arrestimeve, mbetjes mbi nj\u00eb or\u00eb e gjysm\u00eb i pashpres\u00eb n\u00eb oqean, P\u00e5l Refsdal, ky burr\u00eb pothuaj 1 met\u00ebr e 90 centimetra i gjat\u00eb, megjith\u00ebse n\u00eb mosh\u00ebn 55 vje\u00e7are, ushtronte pand\u00ebrprer\u00eb aso ushtrimesh t\u00eb denja p\u00ebr nj\u00ebsit\u00eb speciale policore e ushtarake gjithandej.<\/p>\n

*P\u00e5l Refdal, si filloj rruga yte e gjat\u00eb si gazetar ; ishte kjo nj\u00eb rast\u00ebsi apo nj\u00eb “\u00ebnd\u00ebrr” q\u00eb t\u00eb jesh\u00eb n\u00eb an\u00ebn e t\u00eb dob\u00ebtit, kur ishte p\u00ebr her\u00eb t\u00eb par\u00eb n\u00eb Afganistan q\u00eb n\u00eb at\u00eb koh\u00eb ishte n\u00eb luft\u00eb me forcat okupuese t\u00eb ish-Bashkimit Sovjetik? A mund ta p\u00ebrshkruash at\u00eb rrug\u00eb dhe q\u00ebndrimin t\u00ebnd n\u00eb mes t\u00eb taleban\u00ebve ? Sa q\u00ebndrove atje dhe kur u ktheve n\u00eb Norvegji ?<\/strong><\/p>\n

*P\u00e5l Refsdal<\/strong>: (Taleban\u00ebt nuk kan ekzistue kur une fillova t\u00eb shkoja n\u00eb luft\u00eb, n\u00eb at\u00eb koh\u00eb kryengrit\u00ebsit n\u00eb Afganistan quheshin vet\u00ebm muxhahedin<\/em>)<\/p>\n

Ndoshta une e kam justifikimin m\u00eb t\u00eb vog\u00ebl n\u00eb bot\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb filluar si gazetar n\u00eb vitin 1984 n\u00eb Afganistanin e okupuar nga Bashkimi Sovjetik. Un\u00eb isha v\u00ebrtet\u00eb i angazhuar politikisht dhe d\u00ebshiroja t\u00eb b\u00ebja di\u00e7ka p\u00ebr afganistanasit, k\u00ebshtu q\u00eb bisedova me nj\u00eb zonj\u00eb nga komiteti solidarizues p\u00ebr Afganistanin n\u00eb Norvegji. Ajo m\u00eb tha q\u00eb mund t\u00eb udh\u00ebtoja atje si personel medicinal dhe kryesisht mund t\u00eb b\u00ebja amputime. Ose une do t\u00eb mundja t\u00eb shkoja atje si gazetar dhe t\u00eb b\u00ebja fotografi t\u00eb l\u00ebvizjes s\u00eb rezistenc\u00ebs. K\u00ebshtu, une e bleva nj\u00eb kamer\u00eb, nj\u00eb bilet\u00eb avioni p\u00ebr n\u00eb Pakistan dhe shkova atja me q\u00ebllim t\u00eb shkoja n\u00eb Afganistan, megjith\u00ebse e kisha nj\u00eb p\u00ebrgatitje ushtarake ne at\u00eb koh\u00eb, isha vet\u00ebm 20 vje\u00e7 i vjet\u00ebr. P\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb kjo ishte nj\u00eb goditje kulturore t\u00eb shtegtoje n\u00eb mes t\u00eb Muhaxhedin\u00ebve. Por un\u00eb p\u00ebrfundimisht m\u00ebsova dhe i kalova rreth tre muaj, duke udh\u00ebtuar n\u00ebp\u00ebr Afganistan me grupe t\u00eb ndryshme.<\/p>\n

* Gati 30 vite me rradh\u00eb, ti i ke p\u00ebrcjell\u00eb dhe ke raportuar nga grupet e ndryshme t\u00eb gueriljas nga e gjith\u00eb bota. N\u00eb librin t\u00ebnd “Geriljareporteren”, (Reporteri i Gueriles), ti e p\u00ebrshkruan n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb t\u00eb holl\u00ebsishme nj\u00eb pjes\u00eb t\u00eb madhe t\u00eb angazhimeve tuaja si gazetar me grupe t\u00eb ndryshme t\u00eb guerile ; tek muhaxhedin\u00ebt n\u00eb Afganistan, tek tigrat tamil, n\u00eb Indin\u00eb jugore m\u00eb 1986, tek maoist\u00ebt n\u00eb Peru m\u00eb 1992, tek U\u00c7K n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb, ku ti u plagose n\u00eb vitin 1998 n\u00eb Pashtrik dhe shkove s\u00ebrish n\u00eb vitin 1999; n\u00eb luft\u00ebn n\u00eb Irak dhe s\u00ebrish n\u00eb Afganistan n\u00eb vitin 2009, kur t\u00eb kidnapuan ? \u00c7’ka t\u00eb kujtohet m\u00eb shum\u00eb nga k\u00ebto luft\u00ebra ?<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u00e5l Refsdal<\/strong>: Jeta n\u00eb mes t\u00eb kryengrit\u00ebsve \u00ebsht\u00eb mjaft e v\u00ebshtir\u00eb, me marshime t\u00eb gjata, me pak ushqime dhe nj\u00eb armik q\u00eb gjithmon\u00eb ka m\u00eb shum\u00eb arm\u00eb dhe m\u00eb shum\u00eb ushtar\u00eb. Nj\u00ebherit ti ke nj\u00eb unitet n\u00eb grupe t\u00eb tilla, q\u00eb nuk i gjen n\u00eb vende t\u00eb tjera n\u00eb shoq\u00ebri dhe q\u00eb ti nuk gjen qet\u00ebsi. P\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb leht\u00eb t\u00eb ndihesh i fascinuar nga shoq\u00ebria e krijuar. Nj\u00ebherit ka ndodhur rrall\u00eb t\u00eb kthehesha n\u00eb t\u00eb nj\u00ebjtin vend pas nj\u00eb udh\u00ebtimi, aq m\u00eb shum\u00eb kur nuk e dija si ishte gjendje e ushtar\u00ebve me t\u00eb cil\u00ebt isha i njohur. Njer\u00ebzit q\u00eb m\u00eb shum\u00eb m\u00eb kan b\u00ebr\u00eb p\u00ebrshtypje ishin \u00e7e\u00e7en\u00ebt, ata jan\u00eb t\u00eb guximsh\u00ebm, t\u00eb ashp\u00ebr. Nj\u00ebherit modest\u00eb dhe fetar\u00eb t\u00eb m\u00ebdhenj.<\/p>\n

* Si reporter i plagosur m\u00eb 1998, ti ke qen\u00eb n\u00eb mesin e civil\u00ebve dhe ushtar\u00ebve t\u00eb plagosur t\u00eb U\u00c7K n\u00eb disa vende n\u00eb Drenic\u00eb. N\u00eb librin t\u00ebnd haset nj\u00eb kredhje e gjer\u00eb n\u00eb luft\u00ebn e Kosov\u00ebs, posa\u00e7\u00ebrisht p\u00ebr situat\u00ebn e r\u00ebnd\u00eb e t\u00eb pashpres\u00eb gjat\u00eb rrethimit t\u00eb Kosov\u00ebs, ve\u00e7an\u00ebrisht Drenic\u00ebs nga Ushtria e Serbis\u00eb. Nd\u00ebr udh\u00ebheq\u00ebsit e ndrysh\u00ebm t\u00eb U\u00c7K, ti e ke takuar “Lulin” dhe “Gjarp\u00ebrin”. A e dije n\u00eb at\u00eb koh\u00eb se kush ishin ata ?<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u00e5l Refsdal<\/strong>: Une i kam takuar shpesh “Lulin” dhe “Gjarp\u00ebrin” gjat luft\u00ebs n\u00eb Drenic\u00eb dhe e kam kuptuar q\u00eb ata ishin t\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00ebsish\u00ebm, por nga nj\u00eb apo arsye tjet\u00ebr mendoja gjith\u00eb koh\u00ebn q\u00eb ishte nj\u00eb lider q\u00eb kishte rang m\u00eb t\u00eb lart\u00eb sesa ata n\u00eb U\u00c7K. Luli ishte gjithmon\u00eb i veshur n\u00eb rroba t\u00eb mira civile. Kur une e pash\u00eb at\u00eb n\u00eb uniform\u00eb, e kuptova q\u00eb situata ishte serioze. Nj\u00eb nga gj\u00ebrat q\u00eb i kujtoj nga “Gjarp\u00ebri” ishte q\u00eb ai e mbante nj\u00eb pushk\u00eb t\u00eb vjet\u00ebr automatike zviceriane. Kur komandant\u00ebt e tjer\u00eb silleshin shpesh rrotull me revole moderne “si stoli”, ai shkonte me pushk\u00eb t\u00eb madhe e t\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00eb automatike.<\/p>\n

\"\"Gjergj Kabashi –\u00a0<\/em>P\u00e5l Refsdal<\/em><\/p>\n

* Ti ishe edhe n\u00eb Rambuje n\u00eb Franc\u00eb, ku u zhvilluan biseda nd\u00ebrkomb\u00ebtare diplomatike p\u00ebr ardhm\u00ebrin\u00eb e Kosov\u00ebs. \u00c7’ka mund t\u00eb thuash p\u00ebr q\u00ebndrimin t\u00ebnd atje ? A \u00ebsht\u00eb di\u00e7ka q\u00eb t\u00eb kujtohet m\u00eb shum\u00eb ?<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u00e5l Refsdal<\/strong>: Une banoja n\u00eb hotel s\u00eb bashku me k\u00ebshilltar\u00ebt e delegacionit shqiptar t\u00eb Kosov\u00ebs dhe n\u00eb mbr\u00ebmje i lexoja pjes\u00ebt e marr\u00ebveshjeve q\u00eb ata i kishin diskutuar gjat\u00eb dit\u00ebs. Mua m\u00eb dukej nj\u00eb marr\u00ebveshje jo e mir\u00eb p\u00ebr Kosov\u00ebn, por tash doli q\u00eb ishte me vend q\u00eb t\u00eb n\u00ebnshkruhej nga delegacioni i shqiptar\u00ebve t\u00eb Kosov\u00ebs.<\/p>\n

* Pak para \u00e7lirimit t\u00eb vendit m\u00eb 1999, ti erdhe edhe nj\u00eb her\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb raportoje p\u00ebr luft\u00ebn n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb. N\u00eb krahasim me her\u00ebn e par\u00eb, duket q\u00eb n\u00eb vitin 1999 ishe m\u00eb i entuziazmuar me situat\u00ebn, pasi e gjith\u00eb popullata n\u00eb nj\u00eb apo m\u00ebnyr\u00eb tjet\u00ebr, ishte n\u00eb luft\u00eb me Ushtrin\u00eb e Serbis\u00eb. Por, s\u00ebrish ti ishe i pafat, pasi nuk munde t\u00eb shkoje n\u00eb Drenic\u00eb, meqen\u00ebse u pengove n\u00eb pun\u00ebn t\u00ebnde profesioanle. N\u00eb librin t\u00ebnd, ti e p\u00ebrmend Rrustem Berish\u00ebn, nj\u00eb komandant t\u00eb njohur t\u00eb U\u00c7K, q\u00eb tash \u00ebsht\u00eb Minist\u00ebr i Mbrojtjes s\u00eb Republik\u00ebs s\u00eb Kosov\u00ebs. N\u00eb baz\u00eb t\u00eb asaj q\u00eb e thua n\u00eb lib\u00ebr, ti ishe i mendimit q\u00eb ai ishte manipuluar nga gazetari Milaim Zeka, q\u00eb nuk pask\u00ebsh pasur d\u00ebshir\u00eb t\u00eb kishte konkurrent, si\u00e7 thua n\u00eb lib\u00ebr: “…Milaim pr\u00f8ver \u00e5 kvitte seg med absolutt alle konkurrenter…<\/em>” ! (“Milaimi provonte q\u00eb absolutisht t’i heqte qafe gjith\u00eb konkurrent\u00ebt<\/em>…”).<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"\"P\u00e5l Refsdal n\u00eb palester<\/em><\/p>\n

P\u00ebrse mendoje n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb?<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u00e5l Refsdal<\/strong>: P\u00ebr mua ishte e qart\u00eb q\u00eb Milaim Zeka ishte mjaft i preokupuar p\u00ebr para. Esht\u00eb n\u00eb rregull q\u00eb t\u00eb gjith\u00eb gazetar\u00ebt t\u00eb paguhen, por un\u00eb konsideroj q\u00eb ai i p\u00ebrziente rolet. Ai sillej rrotull me beret\u00ebn e U\u00c7K-s\u00eb, p\u00ebrderisa i shiste filmat e tij p\u00ebr kanalet televizive. Une kishte koh\u00eb q\u00eb e kisha nj\u00eb dyshim q\u00eb Milaimi provonte t\u00eb m\u00eb largonte nga rajoni p\u00ebrmes ndihm\u00ebs s\u00eb mikut t\u00eb tij Nasimit, q\u00eb ishte nj\u00ebfar\u00eb komandanti m\u00eb i vog\u00ebl aty. Kur u arrestova nga U\u00c7K, isha i tmerruar. Un\u00eb isha plagosur n\u00eb Pashtrik para nj\u00eb viti dhe i kisha kaluar tre muaj e gjysm\u00eb n\u00eb Drenic\u00eb me U\u00c7K-n\u00eb. Dhe, k\u00ebshtu, un\u00eb isha i arrestuar meqen\u00ebse nj\u00eb komandant kishte d\u00ebgjuar q\u00eb une “isha nj\u00eb gazetar i dob\u00ebt”!<\/p>\n

* Pavar\u00ebsisht t\u00eb gjithave, ti nuk u dor\u00ebzove dhe zgjodhe nj\u00eb rrug\u00eb tjet\u00ebr p\u00ebr t\u00eb ardhur n\u00eb brendin\u00eb e Kosov\u00ebs, n\u00eb Drenic\u00eb, nga ana e Maqedonis\u00eb…<\/strong><\/p>\n

Pas nj\u00eb kohe, Kosova u \u00e7lirua nga NATO dhe U\u00c7K, dhe p\u00ebrfundimisht ti ishe nj\u00eb d\u00ebshmitar i madh i atij \u00e7lirimi. Ti ke th\u00ebn\u00eb se kishe nj\u00eb raport special me U\u00c7K, krahasuar me zona t\u00eb tjera lufte n\u00eb bot\u00eb. Kjo ka ndodhur p\u00ebr shkak t\u00eb kontakteve tuaja t\u00eb mira me “Lulin” dhe “Gjarp\u00ebrin”, apo ? A mund t\u00eb na jap\u00ebsh nj\u00eb p\u00ebrshkrim t\u00eb atyre dit\u00ebve t\u00eb liris\u00eb s\u00eb Kosov\u00ebs ?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"\"P\u00e5l Refsdal n\u00eb palester<\/em><\/p>\n

P\u00e5l Refdsal<\/strong>: Un\u00eb kurr\u00eb m\u00eb her\u00ebt nuk kisha qen\u00eb tek ata q\u00eb e fituan nj\u00eb luft\u00eb, k\u00ebshtu q\u00eb ky ishte nj\u00eb p\u00ebrjetim i ve\u00e7ant\u00eb. Ishte nj\u00eb koh\u00eb me shum\u00eb g\u00ebzime e shum\u00eb pik\u00ebllim. Ushtar\u00ebt e U\u00c7K-s\u00eb, q\u00eb zbrit\u00ebn posht\u00eb nga pylli. T\u00eb shp\u00ebrngulurit q\u00eb ktheheshin. Takimet mes miq\u00ebsh q\u00eb nuk e kishin par\u00eb nj\u00ebri-tjetrin, q\u00ebkur kishte filluar lufta. Nj\u00ebherit shkonin njer\u00ebzit rreth me lopata, duke i k\u00ebrkuar t\u00eb af\u00ebrmit e vet.<\/p>\n

* N\u00eb pasth\u00ebnien e librit “Geriljareporteren” p\u00ebr rrug\u00ebn t\u00ebnde t\u00eb gazetarit, shkruhet:
\n“\u00c7DO GAZETAR, q\u00eb punon n\u00eb zona lufte e q\u00eb nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb prej guri, her\u00ebt apo m\u00eb von\u00eb do ta pyes\u00eb vetvet\u00ebn se n\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb a ia vlen?<\/em>” Ia vlen apo nuk ia vlen, ti e vazhdove rrug\u00ebn t\u00ebnde t\u00eb v\u00ebshtir\u00eb e t\u00eb guximshme profesionale si gazetar, duke shkuar n\u00eb zona t\u00eb tjera lufte…<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u00e5l Refsdal<\/strong>: Esht\u00eb gj\u00eb e rrall\u00eb q\u00eb nj\u00eb gazetar arrin t\u00eb ndryshoj\u00eb shum\u00eb, ma s\u00eb shum\u00ebti kjo q\u00eb e b\u00ebjm\u00eb ne \u00ebsht\u00eb vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb pik\u00eb uji n\u00eb detin e madh. Nj\u00ebherit, njeriu ndjen vet\u00ebn n\u00eb nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb pak t\u00eb turp\u00ebruar n\u00ebse nuk vazhdon, pak t\u00eb turp\u00ebruar n\u00ebse \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb luft\u00eb e r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme n\u00eb t\u00eb cil\u00ebn nuk shkon.<\/p>\n

* Si gazetar me p\u00ebrvoj\u00eb nga shum\u00eb zona lufte nga e gjith\u00eb bota, t\u00eb kan\u00eb quajtur si “Reporteri m\u00eb trim i Norvegjis\u00eb<\/em>“, q\u00eb ke pasur dhe ke burime t\u00eb shum\u00ebta p\u00ebr guerilen gjithandej, t\u00eb dh\u00ebna p\u00ebr luft\u00ebn nga Kosova apo bota. A mund t’i p\u00ebrshkuash situatat m\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebshtira n\u00eb jet\u00ebn t\u00ebnde si reporter i luft\u00ebs ?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"\"P\u00e5l Refsdal n\u00eb palester<\/em><\/p>\n

P\u00e5l Refdal<\/strong>: Une nuk e quaj vetvet\u00ebn kurr\u00eb shum\u00eb trim, un\u00eb nuk i d\u00ebshiroj p\u00ebrshkrimet e tilla. Ndoshta mund t\u00eb duket e \u00e7uditshme, por m\u00eb e r\u00ebnda n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb profesion \u00ebsht\u00eb ndoshta kur kthehesh n\u00eb sht\u00ebpi dhe e zbulon q\u00eb gazetat dhe stacionet televizive shpesh nuk jan\u00eb t\u00eb interesuar p\u00ebr fotot dhe filmat tuaj. Ndoshta ata i kan\u00eb pasur gazetar\u00ebt, q\u00eb e kan\u00eb mbuluar luft\u00ebn nga nj\u00eb dhom\u00eb hoteli, larg nga fronti, ndoshta reportazhet tuaja nuk p\u00ebrputhen me pik\u00ebpamjet e tyre p\u00ebr luft\u00ebn, ndoshta ata nuk jan\u00eb t\u00eb interesuar. Vetkuptohet q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb e rrezikshme t\u00eb punosh, si\u00e7 punoj un\u00eb. Un\u00eb e kam p\u00ebrjetuar nj\u00eb granat\u00eb artilerike, q\u00eb ka q\u00eblluar disa metra tutje n\u00eb det dhe q\u00eb jam p\u00ebrmbysur n\u00eb mes t\u00eb detit, n\u00eb mes t\u00eb Indis\u00eb e Sri Lank\u00ebs, jam plagosur n\u00eb Pashtrik dhe kidnapuar n\u00eb Afganistan.<\/p>\n

* Pasi e lexova librin t\u00ebnd “Geriljareporteren”, un\u00eb kisha p\u00ebrshtypjen q\u00eb ti e ke konsideruar vet\u00ebn m\u00eb t\u00eb p\u00ebrshtatur n\u00eb \u00c7e\u00e7eni, n\u00eb mes t\u00eb temloj (temloj=ushtar\u00eb \u00e7e\u00e7en\u00eb). \u00c7’ka ishte ndryshe me ta, ishin m\u00eb t\u00eb guximsh\u00ebm se ushtar\u00ebt e grupimeve t\u00eb tjera t\u00eb guerile, q\u00eb i ke p\u00ebrcjell\u00eb n\u00ebp\u00ebr bot\u00eb, apo? \u00c7e\u00e7en\u00ebt, krahasuar me grupimet e tjera guerile n\u00ebp\u00ebr bot\u00eb, e kishin nj\u00eb superfuqi si Rusia q\u00eb luftonte kund\u00ebr tyre, e ata nuk dor\u00ebzoheshin…<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kjo ishte arsyeja q\u00eb ti ishe i ngaz\u00ebllyer me ta, apo aty e ke gjetur “luft\u00ebn”, \u00e7far\u00eb e doje ti ?<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u00e5l Refdal<\/strong>: \u00c7e\u00e7en\u00ebt jan\u00eb njer\u00ebz t\u00eb ve\u00e7ant\u00eb. Ata e thon\u00eb vet\u00eb, q\u00eb jan\u00eb miqt\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00eb dhe armiq\u00ebt m\u00eb t\u00eb k\u00ebqinj. Ata jan\u00eb pabesuesh\u00ebm\u00a0trima, por nj\u00ebherit t\u00eb vetp\u00ebrmbajtur dhe modest\u00eb. Ata vdesin pa hezituar. Ajo q\u00eb e kujtoj ma s\u00eb miri nga \u00c7e\u00e7enia ishte nj\u00eb dit\u00eb kur une isha i vet\u00ebm n\u00eb nj\u00eb fshat, kur rus\u00ebt filluan t\u00eb granatonin. Une nuk e njihja askend dhe nuk e shihja nj\u00eb njeri kund. Befasisht u paraqit nj\u00eb person dhe ma bante me dor\u00eb, q\u00eb t\u00eb hyja n\u00eb oborrin e tij. Aty ishin nj\u00eb grup burrash. Burri d\u00ebshironte q\u00eb une t\u00eb shkoja n\u00eb dhom\u00ebn mbrojt\u00ebse, atje ku i kishin d\u00ebrguar grat\u00eb e f\u00ebmij\u00ebt e tyre. Burrat me q\u00ebndrue n\u00eb oborr, por mua, q\u00eb ata nuk m\u00eb njihnin, donin t\u00eb m\u00eb mbronin, n\u00eb t\u00eb njejt\u00ebn m\u00ebnyr\u00eb si m\u00eb t\u00eb dashurit e vet, familjet e tyre.<\/p>\n

\"\"P\u00e5l Refsdal n\u00eb palester<\/em><\/p>\n

* P\u00e5l Refsdal ti ishe n\u00eb Afganistan si gazetar i lir\u00eb dhe regjisor, q\u00eb ta b\u00ebje filmin dokumentar \u00abDen andre siden\u00bb, (Ana tjet\u00ebr), kur u kidnapove. Megjith\u00ebse \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje krejt private, a mund tu pyes p\u00ebr p\u00ebrkat\u00ebsin\u00eb t\u00ebnde religjioze ; kur ti u kidnapove ishe i detyruar t\u00eb konvertoheshe n\u00eb Islam, apo Islamin e pranove vullnetarisht, si mysliman i moderuar ?<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u00e5l Refdal<\/strong>: Pas \u00c7e\u00e7enis\u00eb, seriozisht e vler\u00ebsoja konvertimin n\u00eb Islam.<\/p>\n

K\u00ebt\u00eb ua kisha rr\u00ebfyer edhe Talebanve para kidnapimit tim. Une besoj q\u00eb kidnapuesi im ndoshta shikonte n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb si nj\u00eb rrug\u00ebdalje duke m\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb presion p\u00ebr tu konvertuar, nj\u00eb rrug\u00ebdalje p\u00ebr t\u00eb m\u00eb liruar mua pa e humbur fytyr\u00ebn. Vetkuptohet, konsideroj kjo ishte nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb p\u00ebrul\u00ebse p\u00ebr mua t\u00eb b\u00ebhesha mysliman. Nj\u00ebherit un\u00eb ia kam dh\u00ebn\u00eb premtimin Allahut dhe un\u00eb jam tash, tet\u00eb vite pas, ende mysliman praktikues.<\/p>\n

* N\u00eb filmin Dugma – The Button ti si regjisor e jep nj\u00eb pamje tjet\u00ebr nga brendia e kryengrit\u00ebsve islamik\u00eb, duke i p\u00ebrcjell\u00eb n\u00eb aksionet e paramendueme dy persona nga e ashtuquajtura “lista e martir\u00ebve”, t\u00eb cil\u00ebrt rr\u00ebfejn\u00eb p\u00ebr vetvet\u00ebn, familjen e vet, gruan e vet, f\u00ebmiun q\u00eb do t’i lind\u00eb dhe “\u00ebnd\u00ebrrat” p\u00ebr t\u00eb shkuar tek All’ahu. Filmi i p\u00ebrcjell\u00eb dy karaktere nga Fronti Al Nusra, q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb deg\u00eb e Al-Kaedas. Al-Nusra \u00ebsht\u00eb e regjistruar si organizat\u00eb terroriste. \u00c7far\u00eb lloj kuptimi ka kjo p\u00ebr ty, apo pasi kan\u00eb si q\u00ebllim ushtar\u00ebt e Al-Asad-it dhe jo civil\u00ebt, ti nuk kishe ndonj\u00eb dilem\u00eb e breng\u00eb etike?<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u00e5l Refsdal<\/strong>: Jam krejt indiferent n\u00ebse nj\u00eb grup \u00ebsht\u00eb i regjistruar si organizat\u00eb terroriste apo jo Vula terroriste \u00ebsht\u00eb vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb p\u00ebrshkrim politik. Ti duhet ta kesh\u00eb mbajtur n\u00eb mend q\u00eb n\u00eb fillim t\u00eb luft\u00ebs n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb SHBA gjithashtu e quante U\u00c7K si terrorist\u00eb. M\u00eb e r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishmja p\u00ebr mua \u00ebsht\u00eb me pa se si lufton nj\u00eb grupacion, a ka mb\u00ebshtetje prej popullit, apo i respektojn\u00eb ligjet dhe rregullat e luft\u00ebs. Al Nusra, sipas Syrian Network p\u00ebr Human Rights, i ka vrar\u00eb pak mbi 400 civil\u00eb q\u00ebkur filloj lufta n\u00eb Siri. N\u00eb t\u00eb njejt\u00ebn periudh\u00eb diktatori i Siris\u00eb Bashar al Assad i ka vrar\u00eb mbi 190.000 civil\u00eb. N\u00ebse ne i l\u00ebm\u00eb anash pik\u00ebpamjet tona per\u00ebndimore p\u00ebr bot\u00ebn nj\u00eb \u00e7ast, do ta shohim q\u00eb qeveria e Siris\u00eb ka vrar\u00eb gati 500 her\u00eb ma shum\u00eb civil\u00eb se Al Kaeda. Gj\u00ebra t\u00eb tilla – mendoj une \u00ebsht\u00eb me r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi t\u00eb mbahen n\u00eb mend.<\/p>\n

\"\"P\u00e5l Refsdal n\u00eb palester<\/em><\/p>\n

* N\u00eb fillim t\u00eb viteve t\u00eb ’90 t\u00eb shekullit t\u00eb kaluar ti ishe po ashtu n\u00eb Bosnj\u00eb si nj\u00eb z\u00ebdh\u00ebn\u00ebs p\u00ebr forcat ushtarake norvegjeze atje. N\u00eb nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb si nj\u00eb djal i ri ishe d\u00ebshmitar i asaj lufte t\u00eb tmerrshme dhe je i njohur me paqen e padrejt\u00eb pas Marr\u00ebveshjes s\u00eb Dejtonit, kur serb\u00ebt e mor\u00ebn si “dhurat\u00eb” gjysm\u00ebn e Bosnjes, duke e krijuar Republika Srpska si nj\u00eb pjes\u00eb formale t\u00eb k\u00ebsaj Bosnjes dhe Hercegovin\u00ebs. Si nj\u00eb gazetar me p\u00ebrvoj\u00eb nj\u00eb paqe e padrejt\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb paqe p\u00ebr ardhm\u00ebrin\u00eb, apo nj\u00eb hap drejt nj\u00eb lufte t\u00eb re?<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u00e5l Refstad<\/strong>: P\u00ebr fat t\u00eb keq kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb ajo pilula e hidhur, q\u00eb shum\u00eb njer\u00ebz duhet ta p\u00ebrpijn\u00eb kur arrihet nj\u00eb marr\u00ebveshje paq\u00ebsore. Kriminel\u00eb t\u00eb luft\u00ebs q\u00eb ecin lirsh\u00ebm, kriminel\u00eb t\u00eb luft\u00ebs q\u00eb jan\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb t\u00eb pasur gjat\u00eb luft\u00ebs. Une nuk besoj q\u00eb populli e do nj\u00eb luft\u00eb tjet\u00ebr, megjith\u00ebse kemi nj\u00eb paqe t\u00eb padrejt\u00eb, populli \u00ebsht\u00eb i lodhur nga luft\u00ebrat. Ajo q\u00eb m\u00eb irriton mua \u00ebsht\u00eb “paqja me \u00e7do kusht” q\u00eb e parap\u00eblqen bashk\u00ebsia nd\u00ebrkomb\u00ebtare, megjith\u00ebse ata shpesh e kan\u00eb fuqin\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb k\u00ebrkesa ma t\u00eb rrepta tek pala sulmuese, si Serbia n\u00eb Bosnj\u00eb e Kosov\u00eb.<\/p>\n

* Si gazetar i Kosov\u00ebs une e ndjej vet\u00ebn krenar me pun\u00ebn t\u00ebnde profesionale dhe jo vet\u00ebm profesionale atje gjat\u00eb luft\u00ebs. P\u00ebr mua je ma shum\u00eb se nj\u00eb gazetar n\u00eb at\u00eb koh\u00eb historike n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb. A je ti veteran i Kosovas Liberation Army. A je Veteran i Ushtris\u00eb Clirimtare t\u00eb Kosov\u00ebs?<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u00e5l Refsdal<\/strong>: T\u00eb faleminderit. Por une vazhdoj t\u00eb jem vet\u00ebm gazetar, megjith\u00ebse jam plagosur dhe kam kaluar shum\u00eb koh\u00eb me U\u00c7K se sa ndonj\u00eb gazetar tjet\u00ebr nd\u00ebrkomb\u00ebtar. Kur isha vjet n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb ishin disa miq\u00eb q\u00eb m\u00eb than\u00eb se une mund t\u00eb k\u00ebrkoja pensionin atje, si veteran i U\u00c7K. Me duhej vet\u00ebm t\u00eb qeshja. Jan\u00eb veteran\u00ebt e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb t\u00eb U\u00c7K, q\u00eb u duhen ato para, m\u00eb shum\u00eb se mua. Vjet i takova shum\u00eb miq. Bali Berish\u00ebn dhe gruan e tij q\u00eb e njihja nga spitali. Naser Gashi, Naim Bardiqi, motr\u00ebn medicinale Mevlude Hoxha, q\u00eb u kujdes aq mir\u00eb p\u00ebr mua kur isha i plagosur. E takova edhe Lulin, q\u00eb tash quhet Kadri Veseli.<\/p>\n

Jan\u00eb shum\u00eb gj\u00ebra q\u00eb m\u00eb brengosin me situat\u00ebn e sotshme n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb. Vetkuptohet q\u00eb Serbia \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb nga problemet, por nj\u00eb problem i madh q\u00eb ju duhet ta \u00e7rr\u00ebnjosni n\u00ebse ju do t\u00eb jeni nj\u00eb vend sovran dhe i respektuesh\u00ebm, gja q\u00eb e kam m\u00eb pran\u00eb zemres \u00ebsht\u00eb trajtimi q\u00eb veteran\u00ebt e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb e pat\u00ebn pas luft\u00ebs. Diskriminimi nga UNMIK dhe akuzat p\u00ebr krime t\u00eb luft\u00ebs jan\u00eb nj\u00eb gj\u00eb. Di\u00e7ka tjet\u00ebr \u00ebsht\u00eb q\u00eb Kosova ka shum\u00eb veteran\u00eb q\u00eb jetojn\u00eb n\u00eb varf\u00ebri dhe jan\u00eb t\u00eb n\u00ebnvler\u00ebsuar nga shoq\u00ebria. Ky \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb turp i madh p\u00ebr vendin q\u00eb viktimat dhe heronjt\u00eb e liris\u00eb, tashti pothuaj jan\u00eb t\u00eb harruar.<\/p>\n

*Gjergj-Bajram Kabashi, ish gazetar i Gazet\u00ebs Rilidnja dhe udh\u00ebheq\u00ebs i Revista Drini
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\nPS!<\/strong>
\nK\u00ebtu \u00ebsht\u00eb linku i filmit dokumentar p\u00ebr sulmuesit vetvras\u00ebs n\u00eb Siri, i autorit P\u00e5l Refsdal: Knappen – The Dugma.<\/em><\/p>\n