{"id":66551,"date":"2021-04-11T02:44:35","date_gmt":"2021-04-11T01:44:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/fjala.info\/?p=66551"},"modified":"2021-04-11T02:50:31","modified_gmt":"2021-04-11T01:50:31","slug":"diskutim-mbi-gjuhen-shqipe-standardi-apo-gegnishtja","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jehonashqiptare.al\/fjala\/diskutim-mbi-gjuhen-shqipe-standardi-apo-gegnishtja\/","title":{"rendered":"DISKUTIM MBI GJUH\u00cbN SHQIPE: STANDARDI APO GEGNISHTJA?!"},"content":{"rendered":"

Vladimir Stojani Burill shkruan n\u00eb FB<\/strong>:
\nSipas Standardit t\u00eb ’72: “Laveri i tha Mazllumit:
\nDo t\u00eb doja t\u00eb t\u00eb thoja…”, ndersa sipas standardit te Komisis\u00eb Letrare t\u00eb Shkodres:” Gjergji i tha Gjonit :
\nDue me t’th\u00e2n\u00eb….”
\nCila forme Ju duket ma e drejt\u00eb?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I p\u00ebrgjigjet Arben \u00c7okaj<\/strong>:<\/p>\n

Gjuha \u00ebsht\u00eb mjet komunikimi, dhe Laveri e Mazllumi jan\u00eb jugor\u00eb, ata nuk din\u00eb geghnisht. Prandaj u b\u00eb gjuha standarde shqipe, q\u00eb t\u00eb gjith\u00eb shqiptar\u00ebt t\u00eb kishin nj\u00eb mjet komunikimi e jo disa, si\u00e7 pretendojn\u00eb patriotat e m\u00ebdhenj t\u00eb ndasive fdetare e kulturore… Prandaj edhe nuk kan\u00eb sukses k\u00ebta q\u00eb synojn\u00eb ndasit\u00eb e shqiptar\u00ebve. D\u00ebm b\u00ebjn\u00eb megjithat\u00eb. Se fusin nj\u00eb spirale m\u00ebveht\u00ebsie, kombi kosovar, dibran\u00e7e, tetovar\u00e7e, shkodran\u00e7e, etj. A mundet Vladimir Stojani Burill psh. t’i detyroj\u00eb tetovar\u00ebt t\u00eb flasin gegnishten e tij?<\/p>\n

Por n\u00eb Universitetin e Tetov\u00ebs pra, m\u00ebsohet shqipja sytandarde e Laverit e Mazllumit… Edhe feja katolike sipas katolik\u00ebve t\u00eb Shkodr\u00ebs \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb e mira, dhe kush e kund\u00ebrshtoi m\u00eb shum\u00eb regjimin komunist? Katolik\u00ebt e Shkodr\u00ebs se donin fen\u00eb. Dhe u persekutuan m\u00eb shum\u00eb nga regjimi. Sa ra komunizmi, \u00e7far\u00eb ndodhi? N\u00eb p\u00ebrpjekje p\u00ebr ringjallje fetare, katolkik\u00ebt kujtuan se po nd\u00ebrtojn\u00eb kisjha, por Shqip\u00ebria e Kosova u mbush\u00ebn me xhami…<\/p>\n

N\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb kontekst ndodh edhe me gjuh\u00ebn shqipe, nj\u00eb cop\u00ebtim dialektor i vendit ton\u00eb t\u00eb cop\u00ebtuar n\u00eb disa m\u00ebnyra. Katolik\u00ebt e Shkodr\u00ebs dhe kisha katolike duke promovuar gegnishten e G’juhadolit, ashtu si e mbush\u00ebn indirekt Shqip\u00ebrin\u00ebe Kosov\u00ebn me xhamia, po b\u00ebjn\u00eb nj\u00eb p\u00ebrpjekje t\u00eb pavet\u00ebdijshme p\u00ebr ta b\u00ebr\u00eb edhe gjuh\u00ebn shqipe cop\u00eb-cop\u00eb me dialekte e n\u00ebndialekte. Por gjuja \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb mjet q\u00eb e bashkon nj\u00eb popull, prandaj edhe b\u00ebhet e p\u00ebrbashk\u00ebt. Kur Gjuha Shqipe u b\u00eb standarde, at\u00eb standard vendos\u00ebn ta p\u00ebrdornin edhe geg\u00ebt e Kosov\u00ebs, pse? A e dini ju pse? Apo nuk ju intereson?<\/p>\n

E b\u00ebn\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb sepse serbi filloi t’i ndante shqiptar\u00ebt sipas gjuh\u00ebs: Ju jeni shiftari – u thoshte shqiptar\u00ebve t\u00eb Kosov\u00ebs, e ata jan\u00eb albanaci, p\u00ebr Laverin e Mazllumin. Dhe kosovar\u00ebt p\u00ebr ta paraqitur veten si shqiptar\u00eb, nj\u00eb komb me Shqip\u00ebrin\u00eb vendos\u00ebn t\u00eb p\u00ebrdorin “do t\u00eb doja t\u00eb t\u00eb thoja” – gjuh\u00ebn e Laverit e Mazllumit…<\/p>\n

\n

Reagon Vladimir Stojani Burill<\/strong>:<\/p>\n

Arben, komenti i Juej me ka habite! Ke lidhe gjuhen me fe! Kur u krijue me 1916 Komisija Letrare e Shkodres, ne shumice antaret e saj ishin shkodrane dhe katolik\u00eb, e ato per standard te gjuhes shqipe vendosen me perdore ate te Shqipnise se Mesme te Elbasanit dhe jo gjuhen shkodrane apo “katolike” si\u00e7 Ju shpreheni.<\/p>\n

Standardi nuk ishte gjithperfshires, por perjashtues, ishte i vendosun politikisht dhe jo shkencor, prandej ai duhet rishikue dhe jo prishe. Pse ai asht perjashtues ai asht shume i vorfen, nuk asht i afte me kene fjaleformues, por prej kesaj paaftesie ai merr hua fjale te hueja kur shqipja gege i ka ato fjale. Pse kur duhet me shqyrtue nji objekt apo fenomen ne menyre te imte marrim fjalen e huej “vetting” kur shqipja Gege e ka te gatshme me kuptim te njajte fjalen pergjegjese “PRIGJIM”?<\/p>\n

Anglishtja nuk na e jep ne shqip personin qe ban vettingun, nuk na tregon \u00e7ka ban, ndersa shqipja Gege po. Si ti thona veprimit te vettingut per te vettinguar? Vettingonjes? Kur ne shqip thona me prigjue dhe prigjues presonit qe e kryen ate. Pse asht kaq i vorfen standardi duhet shtue dhe ndryshue ku asht gabim dhe i manget.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

P\u00ebrgjigjet Arben \u00c7okaj<\/strong>:<\/p>\n

me fe, se kisha katolike e Shkodr\u00ebs po e promovon gegnishten, e kjo i ndikon edhe shum\u00eb katoklik\u00eb, q\u00eb t\u00eb urrejn\u00eb standardin e shqipes dhe ta paraqesin dialektin geg\u00eb si form\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb lart\u00eb t\u00eb gjuh\u00ebs shqipe. Un\u00eb kam pas\u00eb diskutime t\u00eb ndryshme me njer\u00ebz si Gjergj Jozef Kola, q\u00eb e mallkon standardin e shqipes, ashtu si b\u00ebn\u00eb osman\u00ebt dikur, kur e mohuan gjuh\u00ebn shqipe dhe e ndaluan shkollimin n\u00eb shqip, apo me Ben Oroshin, q\u00eb e quan si ti, dialektin tosk\u00eb si “gjuh\u00eb inferiore”, n\u00eb rastin t\u00ebnd ti p\u00ebrdor emrat Laveri e Mazllumi, kjo n\u00ebnkupton p\u00ebrqeshje. Mund t\u00eb kemi mendime t\u00eb ndryshme p\u00ebr nj\u00eb proces, por kur b\u00ebhen projekte dashakeqe, normalisht se nuk do t\u00eb konsiderojn\u00eb, e mundet k\u00ebshtu p\u00ebrjashtua edhe dialekti geg\u00eb nga p\u00ebrfshirja m\u00eb shum\u00eb n\u00eb standardin e shqipes, pik\u00ebrisht nga kund\u00ebrshtir\u00eb q\u00eb u b\u00ebn\u00eb n\u00eb at\u00eb koh\u00eb. Se geg\u00ebt nuk pranojn\u00eb kompromis, i duan pun\u00ebt 100% ashtu si thon\u00eb ata, ndryshe nuk pranojn\u00eb. Kjo po shihet edhe sot me ato q\u00eb thoni ju.<\/p>\n

Un\u00eb nuk jam gjuh\u00ebtar, dhe e shoh gjuh\u00ebn n\u00eb kontekstin komb\u00ebtar dhe unifikues t\u00eb saj. Mendoj se gjuha strandarte shqipe ka p\u00ebrjashtuar shum\u00eb nga gegnishtja, gj\u00eb q\u00eb tani mund t\u00eb shtohet ajo pjes\u00eb, n\u00ebse gjuh\u00ebsisht \u00ebsht\u00eb e mundur, pra, t\u00eb pasurohert gjuha shqipe, e jo t\u00eb promovohen dialektet. Se nuk ka dyshim, q\u00eb ty t\u00eb p\u00eblqen gegnishtja shkodran\u00e7e, por n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb kontekst duhet kuptuar se edhe t\u00eb tjer\u00ebve u p\u00eblqen gjuha e tyre, pukjan\u00ebve, tetovar\u00ebve e dibran\u00ebve etj. – ashtu si kemi t\u00eb b\u00ebjm\u00eb me fet\u00eb. N\u00eb debate me fetar\u00ebt, secili besimtar thot\u00eb se feja e tij \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb e mira, dhe ne e harxhojm\u00eb koh\u00ebn kot ose gati kot me debate, sepse nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb e leht\u00eb tjetrit me ia nd\u00ebrrua fen\u00eb ose me ia mbush\u00eb mendjen p\u00ebrndryshe, kur ai beson n\u00eb t\u00eb. Dhe beson se e ka iden\u00eb se \u00ebsht\u00eb feja m\u00eb e mir\u00eb. Mos e harroni k\u00ebt\u00eb, e nj\u00ebjta gj\u00eb pak a shum\u00eb ndodh\u00eb edhe me gjuh\u00ebn.<\/p>\n

N\u00ebse ne synojm\u00eb tani t\u00eb pasurojm\u00eb gjuh\u00ebn shqipe, kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb pun\u00eb q\u00eb m\u00eb shum\u00eb i takon gjuh\u00ebtar\u00ebve dhe institutit albanologjik. Ndryshe kalon n\u00eb tifozll\u00ebk. Shkodran\u00ebt e kam pa se kan\u00eb humb\u00eb terren n\u00eb dekadat e fundit, edhe duke vet\u00eb-lavd\u00ebruar veten dhe duke i injoruar tjer\u00ebt – kjo mendoj se \u00ebsht\u00eb mir\u00eb t\u00eb ndryshoj\u00eb. Na duhen shkodran\u00eb, q\u00eb nuk mendojn\u00eb vet\u00ebm p\u00ebr veten e tyre, por pak m\u00eb gjer\u00eb, p\u00ebr gj\u00ebra t\u00eb p\u00ebrbashk\u00ebta shqiptare, por ku me i gjet\u00eb? Shkodran\u00ebt jan\u00eb fokusuar te gjuha jeme, G’juhadoli, Pjaca, feja jeme, etj. dhe kan\u00eb mbet\u00eb disi prapa n\u00eb planin e zhvilimit t\u00eb p\u00ebrgjithsh\u00ebm. Prandaj edhe un\u00eb i b\u00ebj k\u00ebto nd\u00ebrhyrje. Se po u dhash\u00eb t\u00eb drejt\u00eb ju, duhet me i dhan\u00eb t\u00eb drejt\u00eb edhe Migjen Kelmendit apo tjer\u00ebve q\u00eb kan\u00eb hedh\u00eb iden\u00eb e kombit kosovar. Normalisht se secili mendon si ia merr mendja, por kjo nuk dmth. se ne duhet t\u00eb pranojm\u00eb mendimin apo sugjerimin e secilit, edhe n\u00ebse kjo nuk i sh\u00ebrben interessit komb\u00ebtar shqiptar.<\/p>\n

Ne duhet me e kuptua se kemi nj\u00eb gjuh\u00eb zyrtare shqipe, si \u00e7do komb tjet\u00ebr i zhvilluar n\u00eb bot\u00eb. Katolik\u00ebt nuk e b\u00ebn\u00eb, e b\u00ebri Enveri, e \u00e7far\u00eb pastaj? N\u00ebse di\u00e7ka \u00ebsht\u00eb e mir\u00eb, ajo duhet pranuar si e till\u00eb, pavar\u00ebsisht kush e b\u00ebn. Nuk mundet me than\u00eb dikush se gjuha standarde shqipe nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb shqip, apo jo? At\u00ebher\u00eb ku \u00ebsht\u00eb problemi? A duhet t\u00eb kemi nj\u00eb gjuh\u00eb zyrtare si komb, apo t\u00eb b\u00ebjm\u00eb dy gjuh\u00eb zyrtare sipas jush, ku edhe gegnishtja t\u00eb njihet si gjuh\u00eb zyrtare? Ku \u00ebsht\u00eb synimi me k\u00ebto p\u00ebrpjekje? Apo ju doni q\u00eb gjuh\u00eb zyrtare t\u00eb jet\u00eb vet\u00ebm gegnishtja? Se nuk jam duke i kuptuar si duhet k\u00ebto p\u00ebrpjekje?<\/p>\n

Dhe n\u00ebse dikush i synon k\u00ebt\u00eb gj\u00eb, a jan\u00eb menduar rrug\u00ebt q\u00eb duhen ndjekur p\u00ebr t\u00eb arritur deri te realizimi i k\u00ebsaj? Dhe a do t\u00eb ishte m\u00eb mir\u00eb kjo p\u00ebrpjekje, apo pasurimi i gjuh\u00ebs standarde shqipe?<\/p>\n

Se edhe Gjergj Jozef Kola shqyhet duke promovuar gegnishtehn, por n\u00eb Vjen\u00eb, ku banon, nuk e \u00e7il\u00eb zanin p\u00ebr t\u00eb diskutruar mbi gjermanishten, q\u00eb edhe n\u00eb Vjen\u00eb, gjuh\u00ebs austriake i thon\u00eb ‘gjermanisht’, e jo gegnisht. Pra, kur 85 milion\u00eb gjerman\u00eb kan\u00eb nj\u00eb gjuh\u00eb zyrtare, a kaq rand\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb p\u00ebr 10-12% t\u00eb 3-4 milionm shqiptar\u00ebve me u pranua se edhe shqiptar\u00ebt duhet more t\u00eb kern\u00eb nj\u00eb gjuh\u00eb zyrtare, ku dialektet jan\u00eb burim i saj dhe pasuri e saj, por jo t\u00eb dominoj\u00eb ideja q\u00eb secili n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri t\u00eb ket\u00eb gjuh\u00ebn e vet t\u00eb lagjes…<\/p>\n

A e ka pyet\u00eb psh. Gjergji veten, si e kan\u00eb ba gjerman\u00ebt at\u00eb gjuh\u00ebn e tyre zyrtare? A mos i ka detyruar edhe ata dikush, si e z\u00ebm\u00eb se Enveri i detyroi shqiptar\u00ebt p\u00ebr nj\u00eb gj\u00eb t\u00eb till\u00eb? Pse nuk del Gjergji atje me kund\u00ebrshtua, por u shqep duke sulmuar shqipen, e promovuar gegnishten? Sepse atje nuk e pjerdh kush, prandaj. Kurse k\u00ebtu tek ne, jemi qeveri n\u00eb vete ne secili, se nuk kemi nj\u00eb shtet, q\u00eb ia ka mbledh\u00eb ende shqiptar\u00ebve si duhet!<\/p>\n

Sa p\u00ebr Vetting<\/strong>, n\u00eb shqip i thon\u00eb VERIFIKIM<\/strong>. Por k\u00ebta q\u00eb e p\u00ebrdorin nuk e kan\u00eb hallin te mungesa e fjal\u00ebve sa e kan\u00eb te modernizmi, q\u00eb duan t\u00eb p\u00ebrdorin sikur din\u00eb fjal\u00eb t\u00eb huaja…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Vladimir Stojani Burill shkruan n\u00eb FB: Sipas Standardit t\u00eb ’72: “Laveri i tha Mazllumit: Do t\u00eb doja t\u00eb t\u00eb thoja…”, ndersa sipas standardit te Komisis\u00eb Letrare t\u00eb Shkodres:” Gjergji i tha Gjonit : Due me t’th\u00e2n\u00eb….” Cila forme Ju duket ma e drejt\u00eb? 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